The Mystic Heart – Part 2 – A Likely Story


In this dialogue series, Brother Wayne Teasdale and Ken Wilber discuss the advent of an integral mysticism in the postmodern world. Reflecting on their own spiritual experiences, the relation of science to spirituality, the lives of the great inter-spiritual pioneers, and how youth culture is revitalizing the mystical traditions, Brother Wayne and Ken show how an integral perspective can bring the revelations of mysticism into everyday life. In so doing, we learn to give fullest expression—as parents and professionals, students and seekers—to the Mystic Heart in each of us. If, as historian Arnold Toynbee put it, the introduction of Buddhism into the West “may well prove to be the most important event of the 20th century,” we might also argue that the re-discovery of the contemplative roots of Christianity will be equally important. And as we enter the 21st century, it stands to reason that the recognition of a common mystical ground between Buddhism, Christianity, and the other World Religions will be the most important event of all.

25 thoughts on “The Mystic Heart – Part 2 – A Likely Story

  1. @jhgosnell If Wilber’s argumentation is flawed it doesn’t help to open an entirely new subject matter to cover it up. Please leave me alone until you have a point.

  2. @LooksAeterna science is based on observation and experience as is “religion.” there should be no real differences here other than modern science has all kinds of instruments to extend our experiencing capacities.

  3. The mind may not even be anywhere near the brain. The brain deals with the mechanics of the body, that’s all.

  4. hah easy for me to get this an belive in the whole conciousness get up cause of my experiences…ufo sightings.goverment designed ufos that have the worst cloaking device ive ever seen…an one obe :}

  5. 5:35 – 6:00 is a keen observation, but remember: it is an observation science itself has made, and in fact this is precisely the reason why some physicists don’t consider M-Theory a proper scientific theory. It seems to leave the Popperian procedure, at least for now.

  6. Physicalist monism does not rest on the assumption that physical objects are fundamentally “matter” in the naive sense. Hence Wilber’s use of the observation that “there is no matter down there” is null and void as proof that materialism is wrong.

    I agree materialism (in the sense of physicalist monism combined with the metaphysical assumption that fundamentally physical reality is absolutely devoid of all qualia) is idiotic, but for other reasons like: without mentality there is no complexity.

  7. As spiritual as I think I am and I can be…this discussion was like taking a rubber band and snapping it against my brain….

  8. just listen to richard dawkins talk for 2 minutes and then you’ll realize why they are “poking fun” of materialistic, godless “scientists” leading the world away from spirit.

  9. exactly nothing ! if one is aware for himself thru experience, he is also aware for his brother which is made up of the same nothing/ something . seperation through words .lectures, philosophy or my own egotistic speach cant explain anything . in the end there is no cup to fill. nothing = ).

  10. I don’t disagree with you at all. In fact, it is the mind/ego which stands as our barrier to what Ross Bishop calls God Space, which has to be experienced, and can be, just as we experience mind/ego. Check him out! HIs last two newsletters address this very matter; Two Rooms-Part I and II. He was on Oprah radio, on July 11, 2009; St John Augustine. Also I love your use of the word paradox. To me getting there, the journey, is sooo about paradox! Happy hunting! and miles of smiles……

  11. It’s interesting to consider that if we looked deeply enough into our brain it would be more like formless energy than matter.
    Peace and contentment to all beings.

  12. there is a HUGE difference between these two sages and all of you chit chat mokeys…
    they have DEDICATED their lives to their search but you all just have it as a hobby for after hours…
    have some respect and listen

  13. Actually, though, chsmithe has a point. According to Ramana Maharshi, the liberated sage is not aware of objects, the world, the body, the universe, activity, walking, talking, etc. only the onlooker under the illusion of the ego imagines a sage with a body walking, talking, etc.

    Those who have experienced kevala samadhi return to the experience of the perception of a world, a body, etc., because the mind-ego that creates such a delusion-perception is not dead.

  14. The intention is not to integrate spirituality into science. He claims that the differentiation of the value spheres (Art, Morals and Science; The Good the true and the beautiful; 1st person interior subjective awareness, 2nd person objective awareness and 3rd person awareness in its subjective and objective forms) is responsible for the revelations of modernity. For example religion being separated from science. Rather he is differentiating and then integrating into philosophy.

  15. haha the proof is for u experience it.. these subjects is based on the listener to try it out this new awareness.. and if it works it.. it works… if it doesnt.. its doesnt… Life is a risk… Death can happen netime… live in to the fullest to have no regrets

  16. every has an ego u cant get rid of it.. through awareness and diplomacy we can transcend it.. and its not jus ONE… but whole and part… we are whole ourselfs and part of something. and to be enlightened is to have strip the impediments.. and unenlightenment is to be stuck in the impediments… Transcend beyond… Use socratic Ignorance

  17. spirituality is really interesting but it’s really starting to slowly p*** me off. all of this consciousness talk. these lounge around poking fun at those who are less aware. perhaps they are just stating it is as it is but i smell an ego in their voice talking about those “others” who aren’t quite as aware. isn’t that a paradox? perhaps realization of the One is that there’s no such thing as enlightened or unenlightened beings? it’s all ONE. the whole lie dissolves itself.

  18. Exactly.They say that physics is just “stories”,what about their “mystical experiences”.

  19. Ken Wilber supports an “integral approach that evaluates both religious claims and scientific claims based on intersubjectivity” Integrating testimony into science would tear down the objectivity of the scientific process and make it worthless.

    Listen to how he describes the “god spot” in the beginning. He misrepresents the research with an inaccurate summary of it’s hypothesis, and uses it to setup a straw man argument against it. That is not constructive, it’s just critical.

  20. Ken Wilber isn’t religious he is actually trying to integrate science, psychology, eastern philosophy, western philosophy, mysticism, etc into one system.

    Also they aren’t being critical of science they are being critical of materialism. (Plus the point of science is to be critical of it anyway).

    All religions are based around mystical experience. All religions are flawed. However the mystical experience is valid. Look into it before mindlessly bashing it.

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